Extended Thoughts-ish: Three Years. Damn.

So, this post will be sappy, weird, and incoherent, since I am physcially and mentally exhausted, and yet I’m typing away at eleven triddy pm. Also, this will be the closest this site will ever get to having a true blog post – this is less a reasoned explanation of my thoughts on an album or issue or summat, and more a rush of my thoughts and feelings spewed at the reader – though I fortunately don’t have a ton to say, and will try to excercise some editorial control.  And yes, I will edit the spelling and grammar and shit of this shit later – too tired to do that right now, and afraid that if I stop writing even for a moment, my momentum will disappear, and this blog posting will be more doomed than all of my NaNoWriMo attempts.

So, as you could probably tell from the title, this post is about how it’s been THREE FREAKIN YEARS since DH came out, and the community – both the larger HP fandom, and the wizard rock community – as done nothing but thrived. I mean, there’s been ups and downs and Steve Vander Ark, but still, for the most part, it’s been surprisingly solid.

This is what immediately came into my mind when thinking about today, but I realized something almost immediately after that – I don’t believe it.  I mean, up until this year, things have been pretty fucking solid, and I think the overall HP community is still trucking along, though I really don’t check in with it that much – I’m pretty much firmly entrenched in the wizard rock community.  But it really seems to me that wizard rock is falling apart and dying, and fast.  I was so excited last year, because I believed we were about to see the first great wizard rock Renaissance.  Even though I didn’t love any of the full-length albums released last year (or at the time thought they weren’t even meta-wrock) [and granted, I didn’t listen to a lot of full-length albums last year, because things cost money], the EP scene was very solid, and it looked like wrock was giving birth to its first great, large, subgenre – wizard rap.

But not only has there been not a single interesting wizard rap song released all year, the heavy hitters in wiz-rap and wiz-hop have had no new releases.  And the same could be said for almost all the heavy hitters in the whole of wizard rock! Whompy released Wizards Will Party And Abuse Punctuation Marks Forever, and… and that’s about it.  I can’t think of a single other new album released this year from a 1st-2nd tier wrock band (and very quickly, a general rule thumb for how I define tiers or ranks or whatever you want to call it, is bands that play the main stage at Wrockstock – that’s the general level of popularity, though there are of course a few outliers).  And while I may not like it, the top two tiers of bands are the life-blood of the wizard rock community, despite all my rosy-eyed opinions of The Whompum Willows and the wizard rock “underground”.  The big names are what keep people going to shows, and bringing their friends along, and bringing more people into the community, and easing them in with the “safer” stuff – with either really blatantly HP lyrics that drip in self-amusement or high quality production values and sounds that are similar to those heard on the Billboard top whatever.  Then once we got them hooked, they’ll naturally start to explore the harder stuff, and… and did I really just make an analogy between wizard rock and recreational drug use?

I’m more awesome than I thought.

Anywho, at this point, I will still go to any wizard rock concert that comes my way, regardless of who’s playing or if the people playing have released a new album that I can purchase (because wizard rock seems surprisingly hesitant to use iTunes – maybe it’s the cost of entry?), but a lot of that is because I live in a part of the country where I can count on one tour in the summer, and Whomp the House in the Fall, and that’s about it.  But for people who live closer to the geographical “heart” of wizard rock – i.e. NorthEast coast – I would not be surprised that they are less likely to show up to see “the same damn set for those kids again” if there are not new tunes, and especially no new album to buy, and thus, if they don’t show up, they won’t bring any muggle/squib friends, and that’s a few more people that could have become vibrant members of this community that never will.

I want to say that I’m not blaming the wizard rock bands for this, but I also sort of am.  After all, the onus of making music ultimately rests on the creators, and it would be trite to insinuate otherwise in order to spare some feelings.  But I’m really not harshly judging, and I’m not trying to shame anyone into suddenly just cranking out an album.  Unimaginative, unnecessary dross that fails to move wizard rock forward in any way hurts the genre a lot worse than a breathing period.

And a huge caveat to all of this is that despite any major new releases besides Whompy Hates Decency and Proper Grammar, The Final Battle, which Lena says will probably never be released as a recorded, non-live version (and I can understand why – that would be hell on wheels to coordinate), and A Very Potter Sequel, which I’ve heard musically isn’t as good as the first one, there are a CRAP LOAD of bands touring.  Seriously, it’s quite amazing and inspiring, and I think that this large amount of varying styles of wizard rock roaming the country will help counteract the lack of new musical releases – for a short while.  But there better be a frenzy of album releases at or before Wrockstock, because otherwise… Well, let’s just say that next year’s WRPCAs could be severely depressing.

Also, even the smaller bands have not released much this year, and the year is already halfway done!  I mean, I think that at the most, there have been twenty to thirty new wizard rock albums released this year. TOTAL.  Considering the number of wrock bands bandied about this days is, what, 700-summat? – that’s pretty damn scary.  And that 20-30 number is an extremely liberal estimate.

And maybe this is all just growing pains.  While non-band mainstays, like the ‘Pedia are, and I say this with a lot of love and respect for anyone who has ever worked on that site, quite frankly floundering (and I will be doing a more reasoned Extended Thoughts soon on the history of the ‘Pedia), new, nifty sites like WrockWay are popping up to fill the gap.  Also, while I am severely disappointed at the fact that today’s wiz-rap scene is exactly the same as the wiz-rap scene of 7 months ago, except more dusty, there have been some really cool things going on with wizard-folk.  Is it possible that we are just running out of ideas?  Is it maybe true that, regardless of a lack of book and soon, movie releases, wizard rock came with an expiration date at the very beginning, set by the limits of ingenuity?  I don’t believe that that’s the case.  I really don’t know why there has been a drought of new wrock this year, but I don’t believe that the possible vision of the future of wizard rock heralded by the ROFLCOPTOUR is the right direction.  And now I’m touching on things that I really want to save for later, in-depth discussion – more specifically, the aforementioned tour, and the (gulp) inevitable “death” of wizard rock, and what we can do to prolong/save it, but… well, I actually don’t think I have much more to say.

So, yeah.  Trust me, Extended Thoughts Wednesdays will not be like this all the time now, but I just really wanted to express what I was thinking about before sleep dulled my feelings.  I am so tired right now that I can barely remember what I’ve said, but don’t let that stop you from telling me what you thing of it… whatever “it” is.  In summary, the last three years have been a blast, and I hope for three more, and then some, but I’m frankly very worried about that.

Wrock Snob out.

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  1. Russ
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 06:26:04

    Well written article! I enjoyed it. To comment on a few of the points:

    -Albums: Perhaps it’s a time of year thing? I’d be curious to see release dates on albums in previous years. I mention this because many wrock bands tend to be high-school/college aged, and during the school year I’m sure it’s a PITA to work on a full length (or even an EP) while also working on school projects. Perhaps we’ll see more releases next month, or into September when work is completed? I don’t know. It’s always seemed to me, in the past, that new albums always seemed to hit in the summertime. Maybe it’s my selective memory. And for the “old folks”, juggling work, touring, and family lives can put a real dent in recording time.

    -Wizrap: Things seemed to pick up right around the “Wizrock is Dead” show last year after Leaky, like it was the newest trend, then quickly died out. Don’t know why. Not a fan of rap in the slightest, so I can’t say I followed any of the wizrap bands.

    This genre has always seemed cyclical to me – I got into wizard rock pre-DH, but it was my quest for info about DH before it’s release in early 2007 that led me to really get into the bands. Prior to that, I’d just giggle a bit at HatP on MySpace, and that was that. Once DH hit, there was that whole “second wave” explosion of new bands. Then a whole new crop seemed to pop up after the HBP film came out. I’d almost bet on seeing another whole group of bands pop up once the DH films come out; the emotion in the books and movies seems to be a huge inspiration for people to get their thoughts and feelings about the story out.

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    • wrocksnob
      Jul 21, 2010 @ 07:52:44

      Yeah, I think I forgot about how the films sort of inspire people to finally buckle down an upload a couple songs to MySpace – good point. Also, there have definitely been a lot of albums released in the summer previously, but they usually would have been announced by now, and if an album was by a touring band, the were usually released earlier in the summer rather than later. But I am hoping for a big fall influx, or a shit-ton of Wrockstock release parties.

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  2. Whompy
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 06:47:47

    Interesting! I actually viewed 2009 as a down year, in the sense that I just felt the scene contract a bit. You make a great point about the incredible number of new releases in ’09, but we also had that new trend of people who felt they were too cool for wizard rock dropping out/retiring/reuniting-only-to-retire-again/etc. Most of my judgments come from touring. I tour year-round and it’s easy for me to witness and evaluate trends. Summer tour without PotterCast was pretty average in terms of attendance. With PotterCast, attendance skyrocketed. So I credit PotterCast with much of last year’s success. Attendance was up in the fall related to previous house tours, but it seemed more like the hardcore regulars were coming back after skipping a couple tours. I didn’t see many new people in the fall. After the disaster of February 2010, things have bounced back spectacularly, and merch sales are higher than they’ve ever been (for me, anyway). Some people have told me that they think this is just my band expanding in popularity, but I really think that the unprecedented number of wizard rock tours is encouraging fans to come out in droves and support the fact that more bands are willing to take the risk and take their show on the road. With ROFLCOPTOUR we’ve seen attendance that’s pretty consistent with previous Lupins/Whompy tours — we’re averaging about 100 people per show, which is great (although not really comparable to PotterCast numbers). In my opinion, wizard rock is experiencing a renaissance right now, but it’s a different kind of renaissance that’s occurring in person and nationwide, rather than on the internet. I think this is a time for bands to decide what they want, because I’m not sure if the “Hey check out my new tracks on myspace” model is going to work any more. I think playing shows, utilizing twitter and YouTube, and — most importantly — releasing music that offers long-time wizard rock fans something NEW — these are requirements for success going forward. Wizard rock had a shelf-life from the beginning, but that doesn’t mean it has to expire any time soon. We just have to keep finding ways to make it interesting. You’re right — the onus is on the bands. Fans have to be willing to support us if they want to keep seeing shows in their area, but we have to give them a reason to support us. This summer, we’re totally doing that, even if many bands aren’t releasing new albums.

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    • Angelina
      Jul 21, 2010 @ 10:40:19

      If The Parselmouths and ALL CAPS weren’t touring with you, ROFLCOPTOUR would have flopped, too. You should let them play a longer set and stop acting like the wizard rock world revolves around you.

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      • wrocksnob
        Jul 21, 2010 @ 19:21:12

        FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

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      • Fuchsia
        Jul 21, 2010 @ 19:36:23

        Are you kidding? If you’re not aware, they did the first half of their summer tour without the Parselmouths and ALL CAPS (Jake from the Nifflers toured with them instead) and they STILL got huge crowds at their shows. Their show in Chicago was the biggest one to have happened since 2007, barring the show with PotterCast last year.

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      • wrocknquidditch
        Jul 21, 2010 @ 21:00:30

        I don’t have anything personally AGAINST the performers in The Parselmouths and ALL CAPS, as I don’t really know them and I’m sure they’re nice people….but I know I don’t really like their music as much.

        I was out of town or would have attended ROFLCOPTOUR…but my decision would have been based on Whompy and JFF…not The Parselmouths and ALL CAPS. I actually found them as a bit of a deterrant. So just because YOU, Angelina, may feel that those bands were the lifeblood of the tour, doesn’t necessarily mean everyone agrees with you. I’m actually severely bothered by the hardcore ALL CAPS (etc.) fans steering the community in an unhealthy direction.

        As for Whompy and JFF, I have seen them more than ANY other bands, I Whompy more than 10 times in 2009 alone. I don’t consider them, necessarily, my favorite bands, but I enjoy them and I will always be happy to see them perform.

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        • badger666
          Jul 21, 2010 @ 23:25:12

          What’s “unhealthy” about being an ALL CAPS fan?

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          • wrocknquidditch
            Jul 21, 2010 @ 23:44:49

            I didn’t mean that being an ALL CAPS fan is “unhealthy.” It’s not unhealthy to be a fan of anyone…what IS unhealthy is the shrieking, obnoxious, harmful-to-others fan culture that seems most HEAVILY clustered around ALL CAPS and the “trendy” nerd bands like them (to use an oxymoron…lol). (Though it is not the fault of the musicians, and I don’t intend to discourage anyone from listening to them). See my longer post below by (kind of) what I meant by that. By all means, be a fan of whoever you wish. It’s the sub-set of the fan culture that bothers me. Personally.

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        • Angelina
          Jul 22, 2010 @ 20:34:14

          omg I don’t know you but you are obnoxious already. You’re clearly one of those people who thinks N64 Mario Kart is the only “true” Mario Kart and all the other ones suck.

          The Whomping Willows are boring. Matt’s music was fun a few years ago but I don’t give a crap about his newest CDs. They’re not fun. The Ministry of Magic, ALL CAPS, and the Parselmouths are a lot more fun. Your “unhealthy direction” bullshit is just that. They play the kind of music everyone hears on the radio. Matt plays the same music he’s been playing since 2007, and it’s getting old. Lauren’s not much better. Maybe if Nina was with them I would care more. Armoured Bearcub is lame. If Kristina, Eia, and Luke had joined the Next Great Adventour with Alex Carpenter and Jason Munday, Matt would be singing a completely different tune.

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          • Russ
            Jul 22, 2010 @ 20:43:45

            How funny is it that a site set up to anonymously be skullfuckingly honest now has it’s first official troll?

            Very funny.

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          • wrocksnob
            Jul 23, 2010 @ 06:58:24

            Hee-hee-hee lawlz. Man, am I embarrassed that it took me this long. Troll’d, and troll’d hard. I doff my hat to you sir or madam.

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          • wrocksnob
            Jul 24, 2010 @ 19:14:07

            See, this is why I thought you were a troll. Phrases like “Matt plays the same music he’s been playing since 2007, and it’s getting old,” which is absolutely, unequivocally not true. I mean, whether or not Whompy is getting old for you is entirely your opinion, of course, but he is NOT playing the same music he’s been playing since 2007. I mean, maybe you could argue that with his shows, but hey, he’s sort of got an unfortunate duty to play a few certain songs, because he’s just expected to, and while I suspect he’s sick to death of some of them, it just comes with the territory. But Matt’s sound has definitely changed. Part of why I like III so much is that it was a real departure from the norm for him, a brave act, and it paid off in spades. Demons at the Helm is more acoustic than III or Exclamation Point Party Forever!!!!!1!!!!!1!!2!2!, but it’s miles away from The Whomping Willows or Welcome To The House Of Awesome (The latter of which was definitely better than the first in terms of lyrics, though there are a few oldies that cling to my heart, but musically didn’t really step forward that much) – there’s heavy use of good drums and bass, and varying musical styles, not just “Attack the acoustic guitar until it falls apart”. So, yeah, that almost (but not truly quite) provably wrong statement couple with your HPA retort (more on that over there) is why I thought you were a troll. Plus, your IP address adds up to 30, and that’s an archetypal signifier of trolls. I’m pretty sure Jung said that once.

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          • wrocksnob
            Jul 24, 2010 @ 19:18:28

            Oh, yeah, and about the other stuff you said – yes, MoM play music that you hear on the radio. But music that you hear on the radio isn’t very good. Do we really want a wizard rock answer to Ke$ha? Do we really? Ask yourself that. Also, I enjoyed Armoured Bearcub more than I thought I would, but I have major problems with it (which I will cover in a tumblr article sometime), and I can understand why one, especially with your musical tastes, wouldn’t like it. Also, as to your last sentence, I think that Matt would be singing the exact same tunes, no matter who was with him – his sets tend to be pretty similar, with some exceptions.

            Terrible, terrible pun, I know, but whatever.

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      • Jace
        Jul 22, 2010 @ 06:55:48

        lolz

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      • PK9
        Jul 22, 2010 @ 12:49:39

        I went to ROFLCOPTOUR this year, my first ever wizard rock concert. I think I would have gone regardless, but my motivating factor was Lauren. I had made a commitment last year following the Accio Bodyguard Tour that if either Lauren or Lena (the Butterbeer Experience) ever came to the West Coast (outside of a con like Azkatraz), I would attend. (Sadly, Lena’s last tour doesn’t come any closer than a 3-day drive or a $300 round trip plane ticket to me). I also looked forward to the Parselmouths and Whompy going in, and was familiar with All Caps from following Kristina on Youtube. JFF was the only one I didn’t know when the tour was announced, but I made it a point to go to his myspace in the weeks before to familiarize myself with his music, and I ended up LOVING his performance and buying two of his CDs.

        I recorded the whole Santa Monica concert for Youtube, so I can tell you on that particular night, the breakdown was:
        Parselmouths: 5 songs
        JFF: 7 songs
        Lauren Fairweather: 7 songs
        Armoured Bearcub: 2 songs
        Whompy: 7 songs
        All Caps: 5 songs

        Kristina is in both the Parselmouths and All Caps, so she ended up performing 10 songs that night. Lauren also did 10, since she helped with one of the Parselmouths songs, and Matt did 9 (since AB is Lauren+Matt). Justin had his 7. Eia did one duet with JFF so her total was 6. Luke only had the 5 All Caps songs. So, unless you really were there just to see Luke Conard, I don’t think you could feel gypped about anyone being shorted.

        In terms of Wizard Rock vs Muggle Music, Lauren had 2/5 non HP songs, Armoured Bearcubs songs 2/2, and All Caps 4/5. That’s a total of 8/33 songs that night that were not Harry Potter-related.

        All Caps may have two CDs out, but I’d be lying if I said I loved every single one of thier songs. As it is, I think they performed 5 of their 6 most popular songs (and I don’t ever expect the 6th to ever be performed again given the subject material).

        As for how All Caps affected ROFLCOPTOUR’s attendance, that should be fairly easy to test. How was attendance for the Arizona, New Mexico, and Oklahoma shows during the weekend of Vidcon?

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        • Angelina
          Jul 22, 2010 @ 20:44:48

          It’s not the “who sang how many songs” I was talking about. The Whomping Willows and half of the Moaning Myrtles are NOT headlining the tour, no matter how much Matt wants them to be. ALL CAPS are a MUCH bigger pull. I agree with you; I don’t love every last one of their songs, but definitely like more ALL CAPS songs than I like Whomping Willows songs. Two CDs vs. five?

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          • PK9
            Jul 22, 2010 @ 23:03:45

            I don’t know where you get the idea that they’re “headlining” the tour. Everything that I saw in promo beforehand suggested that it was equal parts AC, WW, MM , JFF and PMs. But allow me to point out that your original comment was:
            ” The Parselmouths and ALL CAPS weren’t touring with you, ROFLCOPTOUR would have flopped, too. You should let them play a longer set…”
            Here I admit there is an ambiguous antecedent, but I must assume that “them” refers to “The Parselmouths and ALL CAPS”. Why the Parselmouths? They aren’t any more of the “headliner” by your definition.

            The way I see it, the concert breakdown is practical. Kristina, who has to pull double duty, gets a shorter set in the beginning, then a long rest, then another shorter set at the end. Everyone else just has their one act plus maybe a little extra. This isn’t a one-off concert; it’s a tour. They’re performing a show almost every night of the week, in a new location that they had to drive like 8 hours to get to. I’m not sure anyone’s voice could hold up if he/she sang 20 songs every night.

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          • wrocksnob
            Jul 23, 2010 @ 06:53:11

            Um, firstly, All Caps seems to be consistently playing last, which is the spot usually reserved for the headliners. Secondly, well, the Whomping Willows ARE the most popular band on the tour. I’m sorry, but it’s just true. That’s not discounting All Caps, but this IS a wizard rock tour (sort of), and All Caps are certainly not headlining it. They might be the biggest pull for you, or your group of friends, but your experience is not the universal experience.

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            • PK9
              Jul 23, 2010 @ 11:39:20

              I understand that headliners usually play last. However, as I proposed, another explanation could be the practicality of Kristina’s vocal chords. Headliners also usually are promoted as the main draw (“Come see THIS BAND on tour!” in giant font with a smaller font beneath it saying “featuring This Smaller Band” and “along with This Band You’re Never Heard” as the opening act). Everything I saw about the promo for ROFLCOPTOUR suggested that it was promoted as “COME SEE A WIZARD ROCK SHOW” followed by a list of bands on equal standing. Also, if All Caps was headlining, why did they play three shows without All Caps the weekend of VidCon?

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          • Whompy
            Jul 23, 2010 @ 09:26:33

            In all honesty, I consistently recognized 60 to 80% of the fans in the audience at every show. Of course ALL CAPS has a ton of enthusiasm surrounding their band and they have a large, expanding fanbase. But let’s be realistic about this — we averaged around 100 people per show, which is less than last year’s tour with PotterCast/Lupins/Whompy, and about the same as previous years with Lupins/Whompy/occasionally others. This year’s tour was nothing out of the ordinary. It was a great summer tour and the fans had a great time. Success!

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          • Whompy
            Jul 23, 2010 @ 09:27:59

            PS. If I wanted to be headlining the tour, I wouldn’t have asked a more popular band to play after me. 😉

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      • Whompy
        Jul 23, 2010 @ 09:18:51

        Angelina: Our tour with The Nifflers had roughly the same success as ROFLCOPTOUR in terms of attendance. Originally The Parselmouths were booked on this tour and everyone would’ve had equal set lengths. We invited ALL CAPS to join the tour with the compromise that they’d split set time with The Parselmouths — in fact, we increased their overall set time so that neither band would have to play for just 15 minutes. With five bands (plus Armoured Bearcub) it’s difficult to have anyone play a full set — we’ve all been playing shorter sets than we normally do.

        Regardless, JFF was off tour for a week to help his fiancee get through an illness, and ALL CAPS and The Parselmouths could’ve expanded their sets with the extra set time. They chose to keep their sets at 20 minutes because neither band was prepared to play for longer than that.

        Thanks for the educated and insightful comment.

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  3. Sectumsampra
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 08:06:51

    I think a lot of the decline has to do with peoples lives in general too. Minus the hardcore hitters like Whompy who tour constantly and seem to be able to make a living for now off of this, people are finding selling a couple cd’s at shows are not going to cover rent.

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  4. Lauren
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 08:10:14

    I was just thinking about the lack of new stuff the other day. It’s the same in the UK, nobody seems to be releasing much here either (bar Siriusly Hazza P), at least nothing that I want to listen to. And at least in the US, you do have tours. HatP’s show in Ireland was the first action the UK scene has seen in months, and because it wasn’t on the mainland, there were a lot of people who couldn’t make it. (If anyone plans to jump down my throat about Ireland not being part of the UK, I totally know that, but Irish bands are, in my mind, part of the UK scene. End of.)

    It’s kind of depressing how little is going on in wizard rock right now. I hope it’ll pick up soon.

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    • VoldeMargo
      Jul 25, 2010 @ 19:17:01

      It IS picking up! Cumbria;s first show is in October and the new, improved two-day Snow Ball is in December! And isn’t Amy releasing a new album?

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  5. Jace
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 13:00:23

    I am too cool for this scene. FTS

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    • Whompy
      Jul 25, 2010 @ 10:24:48

      It was a joke, Jace. And mostly directed at Adam. I don’t think you’ve ever truly retired from wizard rock. 😉

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      • Jace
        Jul 29, 2010 @ 10:05:31

        Aware of the joke, and my response was one as well. But, to clarify for those who are like wtf are they talking about; I took 10 months off last year to focus on my real job and personal life and what-nots. I released another album when i “came back” in October, but i dunno. What i came back to was what what i left. And it’s a shame to say that, but its the truth. I have no future plans to write/record/release anything wizard rock related. So in that sense I have “retired.” I don’t plan on going to any cons or wizard rock shows (unless something strikes me as a CANNOT MISS.) But, I’ve made so many friends over the past 4 years, I cant just leave or truly retire from the scene entirely. If that makes sense.

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        • Russ
          Jul 30, 2010 @ 19:55:35

          Makes perfect sense to me.

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        • Whompy
          Jul 31, 2010 @ 20:23:01

          That’s why I said you haven’t truly retired from the scene. In a sense you’re actually one of the more vocal members in the community, even if your perspective isn’t that of the general consensus. Which isn’t a bad thing in my opinion. 🙂

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  6. wrocknquidditch
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 21:20:51

    I just wanted to chime in that I think you’re a little incorrect on the album releases. Small bands are releasing stuff ALL THE TIME that are going without notice. There is a TON of new wizrock coming out all the time…and I often have a really hard time keeping up and supporting everyone I want to support. In fact, my personal “to buy” list is several hundred dollars long…and I already have a massive and diverse Wrock list on my iTunes.

    Just to give some examples…(this will sound self-promoting, but I will make a point at the end…)

    Both The Sweetwater All-Stars and Miss Parkinson are releasing albums the day before Wrockstock. I know this because one of the bands is my own, and we’re having a release party. xD

    I’ll have released 2 full-length albums this year and at least 1 free EP as soon as I finish writing it. I’ve also released 2 free downloadable songs and a music video.

    One album, “Wrock on the D-List” came out January 1, and I’m releasing the second, “We’re Still At War” on November 4. I have yet to sell the 30 copies of the January album…despite them being available for only $5 most of the year and all profits going to various charity causes…and tons of spamming and (attempted) shameless promotion. I actually have felt like I have to BEG people to invest their time in my music, and even then people could care less.

    Granted, the production quality could be better (and will be for the new album)…but I actually think some of my songs are pretty darn good (and I’m usually my own worst critic). And I know I have to earn my way and everything like those before me…

    But TONS of small bands have released albums this year, just nobody pays them any mind. We’re all out here, trying to promote and share our stuff…and the community isn’t responding. And it’s NOT about the musical talent or quality in several cases…there are small, unrecognized bands out there who put out GREAT CD’s.

    Leth I. Fold has released 2 EP’s that are REALLY GOOD. The Buttermellows put out a demo EP, and her lyrics are almost on par with Adam Dubberly’s, if you ask me. Kwikspell has a new album (that is AWESOME! and I don’t understand why people aren’t snatching it up!), Statutory Snape has a new album…and that’s just some offhand examples from my circle of close wizard friends. I think How Airplanes Fly has released (or is releasing in the near future?) a new record….

    There’s TONS of new wrock. There’s just not tons of wrock from First and Second Tier Bands. I would argue that the community could really be thriving right now if it weren’t for the fans getting in their own way. It seems like everyone is so interested in the super-processed-autotuning-and-electronic-production as seen with Ministry that they automatically assume (or decide) that anyone who is a little off pitch with their singing or who just records themselves alone with their guitar are “learning” or “in progress.”

    We discussed this at our Wrock Roundtable at Infinitus…and it was incredibly frustrating, because I know that *I Personally* have a very small, barely acknowledged wrock band…and I’m kind of okay with that, but I would be more okay with it if I could grasp the logic behind it. In my MUGGLE life, I’ve performed with world class musicians, played/sung for sold-out-standing-room-only concert halls for thousands of people….and then been complimented. I’m LUCKY, in wizard rock, if I can convince someone to show up to one of my shows or to even give my FREE MUSIC a listen. And I’m really just using myself as an example here, and not intending to sound whiney….

    It seemed that, during our roundtable discussion, people assumed that if a band wasn’t popular, that they were “learning,” and that they “weren’t musically skilled,” and that they “didn’t try to promote themselves,” and so on….when really it is the fault of the listeners for coming into the community with the assumption that EVERYONE wants to be Ministry.

    I’m getting way off-topic here, and I think you, WrockSnob, know my thoughts on this subject, so I’m going to try and round this back in to make my point…

    The community doesn’t HAVE to fall apart. There are TONS of new things happening, and a LOT of this new stuff is good quality. If this were 2007 or so, a lot of the new stuff may not be so….”underground.” It seems *to me* that the wizrock community is becoming increasingly UNAWARE of its roots and its purpose…and its dynamic. People are bringing their friends in, which is great, but in the process, they are failing to explain what the community is all about. Either that, or the new people are failing to buy in to the community rhetoric….and the wizard rock community has gone from something intended to be abunch of HP nerds singing songs and rocking out to an avenue for worshiping certain individuals and making everything a huge competition.

    We’ve been irresponsible as listeners, I think.

    I could keep going…but maybe that’s something best saved for another day. I dunno.

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    • wrocknquidditch
      Jul 21, 2010 @ 21:30:57

      I also wanted to add this in but I forgot – to support my point. At the Roundtable, although we were encouraging people to speak their minds and everything because we really valued everyone’s opinion…it kind of SHOCKED me how many people were prepared to dog on Harry and the Potters because of the way they do their music. I heard this everywhere at Infinitus…but most directly at the Roundtable…

      I understand that you may not personally want to listen to them on your iPod in the car (though personally I love to), but I think the lack of respect for what they stand for and what they do…is what is driving the community in an unhappy direction.

      I’m not in wizard rock to worship hot boys or scream out StarKid lyrics in the hallways or busses or along the trail to the theme park…and it’s kind of alarming to ME and people like me how…people would be more keen to stand in line for StarKid autographs than to go to the HPA ceremony…or that people wouldn’t be concerned by the fact that the lines for the wrock and musical performances were completely disruptive to the formal programming at a con, which is rude to other facets of the fandom.

      WrockSnob has heard my full thoughts on that, and I hope they include it in one of their future writeups, because I know I’m not the only person feeling that way…but…that’s all I wanted to add.

      I wanted to use this to support what I already said, but also to suggest that maybe people are becoming disinterested in the community because of this UBER HORNY FANGIRL direction it’s going in. And yeah, it’s been there…but…it’s getting worse.

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      • Airplanes Fly How
        Jul 21, 2010 @ 21:38:44

        …Uber Horny Fangirl direction? Would that be north, south, east or west?…because that sounds way better than the falling asleep on twitter direction i’m headed now.

        Anywho, I think people forget that there ARE other parts of the HP fandom. Wizard Rock may seem like the biggest and most important to us, but it’s not. Like I said, we just forget.

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        • wrocknquidditch
          Jul 22, 2010 @ 00:02:49

          Southeast, I think.

          I agree that people forget. I think it would be a good thing for wizard rock to go back and take a look at where it came from.

          At Infinitus, while on stage, Whompy said something along the lines of (and I’m paraphrasing because I didn’t find it so relevant then) “If the only thing you’re into is Harry Potter, than you’re a total weirdo.” …and he was talking about Armored Bearcub and being involved with non-HP stuff…but it’s kind of relevant with wizard rock vs. the rest of the fandom, as well. I think many of us (and I’m guilty of this also) become so enraptured and involved with wizard rock that we DO forget about the rest of the fandom, and in doing that WE become total weirdos… xD…

          And it isn’t good for us…as a whole…in the long run. It’s hella fun, and it’s kind of cool to get to know everyone’s faces and have our own little wrock clique, but with all of the bad things that went down at Infinitus between wrock folks and other fandom folks…(and there was quite a bit)… maybe we should try and remember where we came from.

          That doesn’t mean we have to enjoy wrock any less…we just need to be aware, respectful…and maybe have some behavior modification.

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      • Jace
        Jul 21, 2010 @ 22:21:54

        Tl;dr

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      • wrocksnob
        Jul 21, 2010 @ 23:39:49

        I agree with you on almost everything except one – that I’m incorrect on the new album releases. I said in the article that I guesstimated that at most, 30 new albums/EPs have been released this year, and we’re past the halfway mark now. While I thank you for your list, and I urge everyone to go check out the bands listed and their albums/EPs, and even if you count the albums you listed that haven’t been released yet, that’s nine, plus Whompy Fucks Grammar In The Mouth and you get 10. There’s also Slytherin Soundtrack’s Even If It Splinches Me, Miss Parkinson’s Greetings From The Dungeons, Hogwarts Hotel’s It Was A Dark and Stormy Night… and The Blibbering Humdinger’s Wizard Rock Made Me Crap My Pants which only sort of counts because it’s a collection of previously released music, albeit with some new versions of some old favorites (but how can you make a Blibbering Humdingers sample-pack without “Dobby, Bang Your Head”, I ask you? HOW?!), and I did forget to mention it in the article when I was talking about second-tier bands (though the BH are barely on there, unfortunately, more like 2.5), because I thought it was released in 2009. Point is, that’s 14, and I highly doubt that there are 16 more that have escaped my notice – heck, I’ll be surprised if there are 5 more (And remember, this is counting albums that HAVEN’T BEEN RELEASED YET!)

        Point is, while there are definitely some smaller bands pumping out music, there aren’t a lot of them, and I’m also seeing the phenomenon of new bands arriving, putting out some cool tunes, and then there’s radio silence for 5 months – see Lumos and Nox for a prime example of that. So, yeah, there are smaller bands out there, doing their thang and not getting any respect for it (and I think this community has forgotten what a huge act of bravery it is to put your music out there for the world to comment upon), but even so, there have been about 15 albums released so far this year, TOTAL, for the entire wizard rock community, and that is definitely a warning sign. Thanks for your long and thoughtful comment!

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        • wrocknquidditch
          Jul 21, 2010 @ 23:52:28

          While I only listed a few, my point IS that there are probably quite a few more that we’re just not noticing.

          I mean, there are tons of bands who aren’t yet even on the Pedia. Foundation of Fair Fortune is one, and she’s brilliant. (Unless she’s been added since the last time I checked). Who KNOWS what’s out there. I don’t think there is any single person who is aware of every single shred of music being put out. Many of us like to think we’re on top of things, but I’m finding new stuff all the time…and people aren’t always very clear about advertising their stuff.

          And, just because people aren’t putting out full-length albums doesn’t mean they aren’t putting out music. Some people prefer putting out EP’s and demo sets….or releasing tracks one at a time.

          And then, if there really is such limited wizard rock music being distributed, why is it so effing difficult to get anyone to pay attention to the smaller guys? If wrock fans are so starved for something new, what’s the deal?

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      • Angelina
        Jul 22, 2010 @ 20:21:38

        Nobody came to the HPA thing because the HPA is a shitty charity who neither needed nor deserved that much money.

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        • wrocksnob
          Jul 23, 2010 @ 06:55:48

          Oooookay, nevermind. Yeah, troll all the way. You did a really good job up till now, but this one was a bit too obvious. Still, you kept it up for a good while. Thanks for the laughs! Depulso Troll!

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          • Jace
            Jul 23, 2010 @ 09:03:31

            I’m not entirely convinced this person is trolling. I know quite a few people who are not head-over heels for the HPA and aren’t exactly thrilled they got the 250k.

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            • Michelle
              Jul 23, 2010 @ 10:54:37

              Right.

              Not loving the HPA doesn’t make someone a troll.

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              • Angelina
                Jul 23, 2010 @ 11:11:04

                Not a troll. I just don’t happen to consider Andrew Slack to be fandom’s answer to Jesus Christ, like so many people blindly do.

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                • Arodhwen
                  Jul 25, 2010 @ 20:37:29

                  Slack doesn’t claim to be the savior of the world or anything. And the HPA has done a TON of good stuff. You’re really not a happy person, are you? It seems like you’re just an outpouring of negativity. I’ve only seen four of your comments on here and they’re all unnecessarily abrasive.

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              • wrocksnob
                Jul 24, 2010 @ 19:22:26

                No, definitely not, and I actually somewhat agree with Angelina, except for the “shitty” part. Does the HPA necessarily need that much money? I don’t think so. Will it still be put to good use, since what the HPA mostly does is mobilize people in the fandom to donate to other, more specialized charities? I do think so. Really, despite what Abby might believe, I think it’s my optimism in humanity (either that or straight-up naivete) that I believe anyone calling any charity “shitty” is a troll or has something wrong with them. I really think that just that one word jumped out at me and I didn’t even really read the rest of the comment before responding. If she had said “a charity I don’t like”, I would have argued with her, but wouldn’t have called her a troll. WORDS!

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        • Mel
          Jul 26, 2010 @ 18:45:22

          I’ve been mulling over whether I think your post merits any attention at all for the last few days and on balance, no, I don’t really believe it does. However when someone feels they need to make shock statements to get attention then I think it’s time for the grown ups to step in and explain a little bit about what is actually happening.

          Firstly, you clearly have no idea how hard the HPA worked to achieve what they did. Night and day they campaigned to be able to come in first place and win the money. And if it was good enough for Chase, who had very stringent criteria on participants, then who exactly are you to comment? And it was never just about the money, believe me. It was about awareness and unity. What the HPA did was unite a bunch of people with one common goal – to help those who can’t help themselves and to fight for those who can’t fight for themselves.

          Like what they did for Haiti. They managed to pull together enough people who were willing to contribute enough of their cash to send 5 planes of desperately needed aid to Haiti. How dare you be so dismissive of such an achievement. The HPA have managed to unite fans, not just from the Potterverse, but from all fandoms, bringing people together to help those who are less fortunate than we are.

          What on earth is wrong with raising awareness about other causes which need some attention? When exactly did that become, to use your oh-so-charming phrase ‘shitty’. Yes, how very terrible to try and make things a bit better for people who aren’t quite as priviledged as Western world teens are. What a nightmare. However do we sleep at night? How dare we shine a spotlight on things which are unfair and unjust.

          I can assure you that the HPA absolutely deserved to win that money. Andrew, Karen, Kate and the rest of the team worked around the clock trying to make that happen. They did not rest and they did not give up and as a result of their hard work and the HPA mission statement they won fair and square. And they will put it to good use. It’s unfortunate you don’t believe in it but I’m confident your life-views will broaden as you mature a little.

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          • wrocksnob
            Jul 27, 2010 @ 01:00:01

            Hey, in the troll’s defense (and now I’m using a more literal meaning of the term), not every Harry Potter or wrock fan is a flaming liberal like Andrew Slack seems to think we all are. You make an excellent point about the planes to Haiti, which I don’t think anyone could have any right to condescend, but not everyone in the HP community wants gay rights and other cool stuff like that, and we do have to realize that.

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            • Whompy
              Jul 27, 2010 @ 17:59:28

              I don’t think the HPA has ever claimed to represent the entire HP fandom. I think the HPA represents itself and its members.

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              • wrocksnob
                Jul 27, 2010 @ 18:47:17

                Yeah, maybe not Andrew, or the whole HPA, but there is a general feeling that the HP fandom more less has the same politics as the HPA (i.e., pretty liberal ones), but there is a pretty large segment that don’t fit into that bracket that we sometimes forget.

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                • Arodhwen
                  Jul 27, 2010 @ 20:03:42

                  Anyone who would honestly assume that one group represents an entire demographic is genuinely an idiot. That’s like assuming that all Baptists will protest comic-con with obscene signs just because the WBC did.

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                  • A Flaming Conservative
                    Jul 28, 2010 @ 20:30:56

                    I agree that anyone who assumes one organization represents an entire group of people has some issues, but it’s becoming increasingly less acceptable within the community to disagree with the HPA on any issue–at least in the parts of fandom with which I’m involved. I almost feel like the HPA is EVERYWHERE, now and even though I think I a lot of what they do is great (and I used to be very involved with them, on a chapter level) , I very often start feeling like I don’t belong in this community anymore when every wizard rock show/panel discussion/presentation becomes laced with liberal socio-political messages. I think I understand what it must be like to be an H/Hr shipper circa 2005, or Steve Vander Ark.

                    (Unrelated aside: Most Baptists would not identify the WBC as “baptists.” As Baptist churches are autonomous, governed by local church bodies rather than denominational authority, *any* church or group of people can technically call themselves “Baptist.” Like, there could totally be a First Baptist Church of Wizard Rock.

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                    • Arodhwen
                      Jul 30, 2010 @ 07:29:36

                      Sorry. I didn’t mean to offend. I only wanted a parallel that wasn’t based in the experiences of anyone I knew and that seemed like a good one. So now I know for next time.

                      But the Baptist Church of Wrock? Now THAT is a church I can get behind!

          • Arodhwen
            Jul 27, 2010 @ 11:12:58

            Well said, Mel.

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    • tehfanglyfish
      Jul 22, 2010 @ 10:29:45

      “and the wizard rock community has gone from something intended to be abunch of HP nerds singing songs and rocking out to an avenue for worshiping certain individuals and making everything a huge competition.”

      WORD!

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      • DK Anderson
        Jul 23, 2010 @ 09:51:27

        Painful to read…difficult to argue with.

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      • Arodhwen
        Jul 25, 2010 @ 20:53:18

        I don’t think most of us see it as a competition. It’s a struggle to get noticed because you’re right- there is a LOT of worship of certain individuals. But the struggle to get noticed is so that we can wrock out with everyone else. It’s not about being “better” than anyone. It’s about being on equal footing.

        Or maybe I’m just an idealist and everyone else DOES see it as a competition.

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    • Paul
      Jul 22, 2010 @ 19:45:24

      I think a great deal of the blame for the difficulty newer bands are having in getting there names (and music) out there lies with 1.) MySpace stopped allowing free downloads, and 2.) Facebook is where the party is these days, so MySpace is a ghost town. And correct me if I’m wrong, but Facebook doesn’t have the same sort of platform for sharing music that MySpace does.

      Also, you can’t discount the influence of the shitty economy. With that in mind, album sales aren’t necessarily a good indicator of a newer band’s name recognition. A lot of people aren’t buying much music (myself included) because they can’t afford to. I was unemployed for 5 months during the winter and spring of ’08 and ’09, and even though I’ve been back to work for well over a year, I’m just now getting caught up financially. That being said, one of the few music purchases I made this year was “Wrock on the D-List”, and I’ve been a Sweetwater All-Stars fan since “Two Mules For Dumbledore”. So don’t be discouraged…..keep putting out music, and with some hard work and a little luck, you’ll get the recognition your music deserves.

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      • wrocksnob
        Jul 22, 2010 @ 20:20:23

        Yeah, Facebook just is NOT a platform for sharing your music. For building and communicating with a fanbase, especially when paired with a vibrant twitter account, sure, but you still need MySpace or YouTube to share your actual music.

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  7. Sarah M.
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 21:39:33

    Wrocksnob- I don’t know if this is something you would be interested in doing here at this blog, but it would be really cool if you, or someone, could publish a monthly (bi-monthly) list of every CD/EP/whatever that came out during that time. Like no reviews or anything, just a “here’s what’s new” post. Then any band who submitted their info would automatically be on it, and everyone who came here (which is a lot of people) would be able to see it.
    Does the ‘pedia already have this feature? I don’t go over there that much to be honest.

    Just an idea!

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    • wrocknquidditch
      Jul 21, 2010 @ 21:43:43

      The pedia does a weekly wrock thing where they TRY to do that, but I think a lot of people fly under their radar. WrockRevelation also tries to do that, as does WrockWay.

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    • wrocksnob
      Jul 21, 2010 @ 23:02:06

      As Wrocknquidditch says, the ‘pedia has done that, but they haven’t in a long time, and WrockWay does a damn good job of filling the gap, but they don’t have the level of awareness and people reading AND submitting that the pedia does. I really think that the ‘Pedia should just go all capitalist on their asses and buy WrockWay out, or make it an affiliate, or something. But since I think I do currently have more of a readership than WrockWay (though I am trying to change that), I will definitely consider doing that, though I do know that there are definitely some that slip me by as well.

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      • Russ
        Jul 22, 2010 @ 04:27:52

        The problem with the ‘pedia’s staying on top of releases is that with the sheer amount of bands and ways in which new music is announced (MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Dixie cups attached with string, smoke signals, secret messages read by Pierre Andre that you need your decoder ring for, etc.) it’s tough to stay on top of everything. They instituted a policy that if any band had some new music to announce, then all they needed to do was fill out a quick submission form.

        But then people wouldn’t fill out the form.

        And then when the list would come out, there’d be the inevitable “Hey I released 43 new albums this week and you didn’t mention them because I’m not a Tier II subset B band! The ‘pedia hates small bands!! You’re jerkheads!” comments in the thread.

        It’s sad that the ‘pedia has gone through LOTS of spurts and starts lately. But it’s reality – Dinah and Freya have lives, jobs, school, etc. and can’t do it all themselves. Plenty of people volunteer to help… and then disappear when asked to contribute. Maybe they have the same schedule issues. Who knows. I think it’s great that sites like WrockWay pop up and help fill the gap, but I also agree that having one or two centralized sources for info would do a lot more to get news out quickly, to the largest group of interested people.

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  8. badger666
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 23:18:01

    I’ve also noticed that a lot of artists are branching out and doing more muggle music lately, as well as music about other fandoms. And, personally, I’m okay with that. If I like an artist’s style, I’ll listen to them no matter what they’re singing about. The Parselmouths and MoM haven’t released albums since spring 2009, but Luke and Kristina have released two awesome albums as ALL CAPS since then (and tons of hilarious YouTube vids). Lauren from The Moaning Myrtles and Matt from The Whomping Willows have released a multi-fandom album as Armoured Bearcub. And Lauren has released multiple solo albums. Jason from MoM has released an album as Skyway Flyer. Zoe from Split Seven Ways has released an awesome album as Zoe’s Adventures Underground (which is available for free download, by the way). Alex from The Misuse of Muggle Artifacts Office has recently started a YouTube channel for his muggle music And many other artists have been doing muggle songs too. They may not be doing wrock, but they’re not dead. They’re still producing lots of awesome music. Although, theoretically, it would be possible to never write songs about anything except HP, most artists who are serious about music as a long term career and/or hobby are probably going to eventually want to write about other things too. Shouldn’t we support their music wherever their muses lead them? Wrock is awesome, but it’s not the only awesome music in the world.

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  9. MaryBeth Schroeder NAGINI
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 01:11:21

    Wizard rock still makes people happy. FACT.

    People still make friends because of Harry Potter and HP music. FACT.

    Artists branch out and their fans sometimes follow them.
    FACT.

    People who hear music will listen to what they like and won’t listen to what they don’t. They are not to blame for the death or evolution of a theme or style of music. Neither are the bands. FACT.

    Music-wise, in my experience, nothing ever disappears or dies out. Everything just evolves, fuses, morphs into something different.

    Wizard rock isn’t a genre. It is a subject theme. This is not a strict box. Who knows where it will go! Who knows where it came from!? I sure as shit don’t know but I don’t give a fuck because you know what? RIGHT NOW, I have fun. I know I’m not the only one dancin’ over here (though I probably have some of the sweetest moves).

    I am often quoted as saying:
    “If you don’t like someone else’s (art, music, literature, etc)…shut up and make your own.” (It helps you to appreciate every piece of music and art soooo much more. It cures nitpicking.)

    But I am also often quoted as saying, “I am part gazelle because my ankles are made from toothpicks.”

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  10. Arodhwen
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 10:30:25

    I’m totally not going to comment on everything I meant to because I didn’t keep a list while reading comments.

    I was actually going to mention some of the albums that Kelli did, and I definitely blushed when she mentioned Leth in a complimentary way. And I totally agree with her. I can promote all I want, but the fact remains that (should I continue to pretend I’m a big deal because you might want my music more? Because I’m really not) she is the only one to actually buy either of my releases- which is sad because they’re both inexpensive charity albums. It’s so awesome to see podcasts/websites like WrockWay and WrockRevelation because they actually take note of smaller bands.

    The only problem is that there are so many to sift through and so much to keep track of! Both WrockWay/Revelation are run by one person. It’s just not possible for one person to keep up. It’s not. There’s too much to be catalogued and too many bands who do actually release things. I’m honestly really impressed by WrockWay. Her band list (as far as I know) is much more comprehensive and up-to-date than the ‘pedia’s. Again, it’s just about impossible to keep up, so that’s no disrespect to the ‘pedia. (Not to mention I’ve been trying to get on the ‘pedia’s band list since December and still haven’t made it. As Kelli said above, I’m not the only one. Check out Foundation of Fair Fortune- legit. Her voice/guitar/everything is freaking GORGEOUS.)

    Smaller bands that are currently spewing out the releases are the future of the wrock community. Powerhouses that Whompy and other 1st tier bands are, eventually they are going to burn out. Maybe not. I’d love to be proved wrong. But there is a great tour (with some of these less popular wrock bands) going on next summer: @BagFryTour2011 I think is the Twitter. Check it out. I am massively excited.

    And lastly- don’t buy out WrockWay. She is doing just fine on her own. (With the occassional “Hey, @wrockway! You should add “Such and Such” by Such and the Suches to your Such and Such list.”) (Such such such. Doesn’t look like a word anymore, does it?)

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    • Arodhwen
      Jul 22, 2010 @ 10:36:49

      I remembered another thing. (I’m terrible. I know. Sorry.)

      I have a theory for why bottom-tier bands have such a hard time selling their music. Or even giving it away. (Naturally it has nothing to do with quality.)

      Personally, I feel like I have to have every single one of the 1st tier bands’ CDs– BECAUSE if you go to a Whomping Willows concert and don’t know all of the lyrics, you feel like an outsider. By not knowing all of the lyrics to “I Believe in Nargles” (I don’t, by the way), it makes you feel like you don’t know anything about wrock and everyone is labeling you “n00b.” Which is sad, because I can probably name a LOT more wrock bands than most of the kids who know all the lyrics to 1st-tier songs.

      It’s like there’s an entire list of music you have to wade through before you can even THINK about eensie bands.

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      • wrocknquidditch
        Jul 22, 2010 @ 11:10:51

        This is a good observation.

        I really noticed this during Classics Night….(is this where you noticed it? You were there, lol…) and with some new friends I made…people knew bands like TRL, Whompy, The Myrtles…etc….but I was actually ASKED many times “Is JFF good?” (and other bands throughout Infinitus) because the bands that were playing, most of which I would personally consider wrock standards, were considered “small” or “unknown” by other audience folk (Butterbeer Experience, whaaa?). And though everyone is at a different place on their wrock journey, I concluded about then that most of those people would probably never give an eff about the bands that are ACTUALLY small and unknown. Heh… Not everyone is going to do like arodhwen and myself and listen to EVERY listed wrock band and then some.

        It was kind of bizarre to me (and I encountered this with my thesis questionnaire, as well) that some people ONLY know Ministry, or ONLY know TRL…etc…and they’re entitled to like who they like…but it was just kind of odd to me…because wizard rock doesn’t have to be an exclusive bubble.

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  11. Abby
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 12:31:22

    Just an interjection on behalf of Wrockstock… we’ve always tried to incorporate lesser known bands into our lineup. A lot of them have turned us down for a myriad of reasons, the main one being that they were young and/or unable to travel to Missouri.
    Not everyone in the rock scene is only into certain bands, but there are certain bands that always fall into the circle of “the first wrock band I heard” for many reasons, as well.
    However… our main criteria for mainstage bands, once we’ve let the fans send in forms with who they wanted to suggest… is “can this band hold and keep the attention of 500 people while onstage?”
    While many, many talented bands are out there, a lot of these people have little to no live stage experience. We can’t reasonably expect people to pay good money come to Wrockstock to see lackluster performances from people who, while they may sound great and have good music, lack the stage experience needed to electrify the audience. Sure, we do get the occasional “dud” performance, and in those times, I have let bands know if their stage presence was lacking. Is that rude? Probably… but if *I* was up there onstage and had obviously missed the connection with the audience, I’d wanna know. The connection between the stage and the crowd is what *I* think makes a band hugely popular, not album sales.
    Bands like The Remus Lupins, Harry and the Potters, Draco and the Malfoys, Gred and Forge, The Whomping Willows, Justin Finch-Fletchley, MoM, Tonks and the Aurors (there’s more I want to include, but I’m trying to be as brief as I can)… they almost always take that stage like hungry wolves and they attack their set with everything they’ve got… at every library, house party, church basement, every time. Unless they’re sick as hell or have an extreme amount of personal stress they’re dealing with, a lot of these bands consistenly “leave it all up there” for us and that’s worth being rewarded for, IMHO.
    I’ve probably been at or around more live wizard rock than most of the people commenting, except for maybe the bands themselves… and the bands *I* go crazy for… the ones I consistently spend money to go see and snatch up their CD’s… are the ones with the BAD-ASS live shows.
    I remember my first HATP show waaaay back in winter of 07… it felt like I’d been in church all night… the energy in the room was thick and crackly and that’s what hooked me for good. They haven’t put out that many albums lately, neither have some of the other bands… but god-DAMN, they rock my socks off live and I will keep coming back to see them no matter what. That’s why “new” bands like Diagon Alley, The Blibbering Humdingers, MC Kreacher, Swish & Flick and others are actually doing great as far as fanbase goes… cause they kick ass live. Success can’t be measured by income, guys. In this case, I think it’s measured by how beloved you are by the audiences.
    If you can’t get onstage, really handle your audience and leave them wanting more, you’re never gunna be a rock star, wizard or otherwise… . End of story… (as I see it.)

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  12. Jade
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 14:50:21

    Firstly, I want to thank WrockSnob, and everyone else who has linked and/or mentioned my site online. It really helps my site to get noticed.

    Anyone concerned of WrockWay’s popularity, don’t worry, because my site has been up for …let me see… exactly a month! Didn’t notice that until now… 🙂

    And no, you can’t buy me out. WrockWay is mine. Mine! Totally mine & occasionally totally awesome. Don’t bother even tryin, even with Voldeforces, because you will fail and I Won’t Lose Anything (that’s the title of my upcoming song btw, I just now decided).

    Ok, seriously, you can ask me about affiliations. I kind of want to keep the control of my site to myself and not be responsible for what other people do but helping each other out is cool, and it also helps to get noticed in this enormous digital world that is the Internet.

    As for fame and success and popularity &all that, I don’t really care about it, as webmistress or as wrocker. But it’s nice to get to interact with people and notice that something I love to do also is enjoyable or useful to others. It might be a small or a large group of people, doesn’t matter.

    As for wrock websites and wrockers who have been doing what they do for a long time and now slowed down… I always wish people would do what they want to do, as much as they can in their circumstances, and focus on that. Life changes, the things we enjoy change, and that’s that.

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    • Jade
      Jul 22, 2010 @ 15:44:35

      Ok, I noticed that I might have been unclear in my comment above, about that popularity thing. What I meant was that I do wish that people mention WrockWay online so that more people would know that WrockWay exists, but that I don’t care if the group of people who actually ends up liking and reading WrockWay is small or large.

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