REVIEW: Magic Is Might, Part 2

[Thank you for visiting The Wrock Snob and reading this article! I’d love for you to jump right into the reviewy goodness, but first there is some unfortunate business to take care of. It is not in my nature to tell you specifically what or what not to buy and who to support – I tell you what I thought about an album, and if my tastes seem to align with yours, you might want to heed my suggestions. However, I must take this time to personally exhort that you do not monetarily support the bands The Remus Lupins or Ministry of Magic. The full reasons are unsettling and possibly triggering, so please proceed with caution, but if you want the full details click here. Simply put, it has been revealed that certain member/s of both bands did destructive, upsetting, and highly problematic things. While I can see the value of reviewing art no matter what the artist did on a grand society-level scale, I cannot morally allow myself to condone the financial support of these monsters, nonetheless exhorting people to do so. Now it is entirely possible this copypasta’d retroactive warning was placed on a negative review, making this sidebar somewhat moot, but I still feel it necessary to make these matters clear. Again, for full details and rumination click here, otherwise, please enjoy the article.]

Let’s dive right back in, shall we?

First, a correction. It was brought to my attention that “The Hero, Pt. 2”  was about Snape, which makes the lyrics (the few lyrics that weren’t just one word over and over) make more sense.  Still, there are some lines that make sense with Harry – dark forces calling him out by his name makes me think of the taunting ultimatum Voldemort made, and I know I’m not the only one who thought it was about Harry.  So, it’s a bad sign when your song about Snape can easily be mistaken for a song about Harry.  Also, WHY THE HELL NAME IT AS A SEQUEL TO A SONG ABOUT HARRY?  And, for that matter, WHY MAKE IT SUCK?!

Ahem.  Anyways, on to House Song, a song that really perplexes me.  Leaving aside for now the stunningly original
name, I have to come to only one possible conclusion to how this song came about.  So, my theory is that one of the MoM boys, let’s say Jason, he’s got nice poofy hair (it sort of looks like caramel clouds), has a crippling addiction to tacos.  No wait, that’s Jarrod. Nevermind.  Ummmm… a crippling addiction to… bacon, there we go! No, shit, that’s Jarrod again. And also Harry and the Potters.  Hmmm, this is harder than I thought.  Let’s just say he’s addicted to mushrooms.

Oh, don’t be so gauche, not those types of shrooms, the type that grows in minecraftian blocks with punctuation on them, and possess the ability of limited locomotion, duh.  Anyway, one day Jason was running around, I dunno, the moon, looking for mushrooms, because he got a hot tip from some British dude and his dog that there was food up there, and he accidentally ran into a djinn, knocking the djinn over and ruining its fancy hat.  Angry, the djinn was going to enact punishment on Jason, but eventually decided to spare his life, in exchange for becoming Ministry of Magic’s band manager with absolute creative control.  Also, Voldemark had to wear an amusing novelty hat every other Tuesday.  Now, this djinn was either really clever and really evil, or just really, really stupid.  So, one day the MoM boys came up to the djinn, and said, “Hey, Mr. Djinn sir, we’ve got this idea for a song.”
Pausing to pick cat hairs out of his teeth, the djinn grunted.  “Tell me more.”
“Well,” said the band, “we have this idea for a song that would feature a series of couplets about different houses and how awesome they are.  We’d also feature various wizard rockers, Potter celebs, and YouTube stars as guest vocalists, to give the song a really rich and varied feeling, to imply the large and varied student body of Hogwarts.  Also, our current name for it is “House Song”, but that’s just the working title, of course.  We will need to eventually come up with a new name for obvious reasons.  So, what do you think?”

The djinn then hemmed and hawed over it for a moment, before saying “I like it. Go ahead and make the song. Except keep the current title.  And litter the song with unnecessary muggle pop-culture references.  And make some of the lyrics nonsensical.  And then take all the vocal performances and bleach them in so much auto-tune you can’t actually tell who all the celebs and guest vocalists are, at least until you make the most gorram stupid cheesy wizard rock music video ever made.  Oh yeah, and you need to fill in some of the gaps with some spoken back and forth, with terrible vocal acting.  And you’ll auto-tune all that as well.”

After a few moments of staring at the Djinn in abject dumb-stricken horror, and throwing a few dirty glances at Jason (well, except for Voldemark, who couldn’t glance at anyone to the size and complexity of his current novelty hat), the band glumly set off to work.  Well, Jason just kept watching his mushrooms bounce back and forth between a set of green pipes, and Voldemark’s hat kept hitting the mic causing absolutely awful feedback. At least, this is what I believe, what I must believe happened, because anything else being true would carry frankly worrying implications about the creative process that goes into making a MoM song, as well as for why I have all these pictures on my hard drive.

However, all that fanfic-masquerading-as-a-review aside, I actually kinda like “House Song”. I mean, yes, it’s stupid. Dear Lords of Kobol is it stupid. Really, really, really stupid.  But it’s also legitimately fun, if you can get past the lyrics, and fortunately these lyrics are stupid enough that they almost enhance the experience, instead of just taking away from the song, unlike certain previous songs on this album.  To put it in terms of Aqua songs, the lyrics are worse than “Barbie Girl“, but not bad enough to reach the glorious highs (lows?) of “Lollipop (Candy Man)“.

Now, for a few specifics.  Musically, the instrumentals serve the vocals this time around, and the two work together quite nicely.  Moreover, the vocal melodies, well, melody, is fun and catchy, and likely to get stuck in your head, and since it’s just the same musical phrase used over and over, it’s easy to find the least offensive couplet to mentally sing along with.  On that note, let me just point out how difficult it is to make a pop song that is essentially 8 seconds of music repeated ad nauseaum for two and a half minutes, and manage to make it sonically… well, if not necessarily interesting, then at least not boring.  Sure, repetition is one of the cornerstones of music, especially popular music with vocals, popular music being a term I use in this case to describe everything from “Bad Romance” to “Come Thou Fount”.  But this is really a very short melody that is repeated at length with almost no variation, and they make it work, an accomplishment which should not go unnoticed.

However, lyrically, things break down somewhat, but hey, every now and then it’s good for something to break down, like if it’s a kidney stone.  Now, let me say straight away that there’s no way this song could have had great, artistic lyrics and still be the song it is.  “House Song” was designed around short, pithy couplets, the equivalent of taunting catcalls thrown between houses during a Quidditch match or the like.  And sometimes they work precisely as that – the very first couplet is a good example of that.

I’m a Ravenclaw, I like to read books
When I cast spells they’re off the friggin’ hook

Short, simple, to the point, identifies the house, their main trait, and how that trait makes them awesome.  A perfect example of what this sort of couplet should be about.  I’m going to restrain from analyzing each and every couplet, because they differ so wildly, in rather fascinating permutations, but please allow me a few “short” criticisms.  The best Slytherin verse has to be John Noe’s (and I’ve got a tangent on this I’m going to indulge in a bit later, stay tuned for that), because it’s a fun bit of house braggadocio, and all the other ones sort of suck, at least in terms of actually making Slytherin house look good.  I mean, one verse implies that all Slytherins are rich, and well, they aren’t, one verse is sung by someone who hasn’t read the books (that’s another tangent), and the other one rhymes Snape with Snape:

I’m a Slytherin, a big fan of Snape
If it’s a MoM album we have to say Snape

Incidentally, while that particular rhyme scheme grates me, there probably wasn’t any other elegant way to keep the incredibly amusing second line entirely intact, and still use the word “Snape” in the first line.  Maybe some line about Snape’s cape? I dunno.  Anyway, despite the rhyme scheme, this is definitely the best couplet in the song, for sheer humour value (also, hearing Ministry call their band “mom” out loud in a song is amusing enough on its own), and it’s also the only time I actually liked any attempts at meta-humour in this song.

Now, that promised John Noe tangent – his verse is probably the best example of how stupid an idea it was to cover everything in auto-tune.  I did not recognize his voice until I watched the music vide, and that caused me to feel rather ashamed, because I have listened to something like 200 episodes of Pottercast, and started listening when they were only around fiddy-five or whatever.  Then I realized – I’VE LISTENED TO AROUND 200 EPISODES OF POTTERCAST, AND I DIDN’T RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF MY FAVORITE HOST (sorry, Melissa)!  In that case, why even have ANYBODY guest at all, if they’re all going to sound exactly the bloody same?! And WHY on God’s brown Earth did you decide to even auto-tune the fucking spoken bits?!

Okay, now for that Alan Lastufka’s tangent (he’s the dude that doesn’t read Harry Potter and is one of Luke Conard’s collab concubines).  While I’ll admit the “let’s beat him uuuuuuuuup” line gets a smile out of me every time, I also can never figure out why the whole exchange started in the first place.  This is Alan’s couplet:

I’m a Slytherin, the top of my class
If you disagree I’ll kick your muggle ass

Incidentally, this is I believe the strongest profanity ever to be used in a MoM song, they even kept the original “bum” line in their really fun cover of Draco and the Malfoy’s “Potions Yesterday” on Goodbye Privet Drive.  No real point to be made from this, just pointing it out.  Anyway, the above lyrics are followed by Alex Carpenter belligerently asking Alan “Do you even know what Harry Potter is?” which touches off a little exchange that culminates in a humorous incitement to brutal violence against anyone who dares to just watch the Harry Potter films (you see, it’s funny because someone you disagree with ends up hurt, and as we all know, the Harry Potter books are nothing if not about how the proper way to deal with those you disagree with is violence).

Now, what I don’t get about this is WHY it even started. What exactly about those two lines above imply any sort of lack of knowledge about the intricacies of the Harry Potter series?  Slytherins are well known for kicking various body parts of those of inferior blood, particularly the posterior, and they also probably do quite well in school, for the most part.  Yes, there are the Crabbes and Goyles of the world, but before Book 1 the Slytherins consistently won the house cup, and that means plenty of points from teachers for doing well in class.  Besides, Slytherins do what is best for them, and it befits most students to do well in classes, unless you’ve got another gravy train (eternal comfortable lackeyship with Draco, for example), even if they have to bribe Hufflepuffs to do the work for them.

A couple last notes then wrapping things up – the “wit beyong measure / caught up in the tether” line is stupid, a half-rhyme, and the two lines don’t really relate to each other.  And really, you couldn’t think of anything else to rhyme with measure?  What about going with the original and doing something about treasure (like something about knowledge being a treasure, I dunno)?  Or maybe leisure?


Also, none of the Hufflepuff lines are particularly memorable, but on second thought that’s just being accurate, so nevermind.  While the actual references to various nerdy television shows in the last segment brought me no joy, the meta-narrative surrounding them (“I don’t wanna gooooooo!”) is pretty amusing.  Also, if I had to make one criticism about the vocals that WASN’T about the auto-tune, it’d be that there isn’t quite enough energy in the delivery – it’s not really like they’re trying to convince us that their house is awesome.  The first couplet in particular, while still being lyrically one of my favorites, vocally just comes across as if Luke is bored just singing the words, and he doesn’t even really believe them. I hope to see more energy and animated rivalry come out in a possible live version of this song, though of course the logistics of which would probably be a nightmare.

Lastly, two thoughts occurred to me while listening to this song: The first was that there wasn’t actually a Snape song on this album, and that was probably a mistake, seeing as how The Snape Song was one of, if not the best song on each of the previous albums.  But then I recently realized that “The Hero, Pt. 2” is a Snape song, which is possibly even worse – the realization that one of the bastions of good MoM songs can suck so bloody hard.

And here’s the thing – there are times in that song where the writing isn’t actually that bad, or even quite good, but it’s surrounded by the absolute idiocy of the fucking word “hero” being fucking repeated every FUCKING second!  Though, on second thought, this was probably the Djinn’s idea too.  Nevermind, MoM!  Your guilt is cleared.

My second thought was this: So, is Kristina now the only girl allowed to guest vocal on MoM songs, or what?  Nothing against Kristina, as stated before, her verse on “Goodbye Privet Drive” was when the whole song really started to come together, and the first great moment in an album filled with great moments.  But Kristina is just one voice, and while MoM has a quite expansive range of vocal textures, tones, pitches, and qualities, there are still some gaps that having female guest vocalists can fill and make a song particularly memorable, and I’d hate to see Ministry limit themselves.

Well, that’s about it.  I apologize for both the tardiness and comparative brevity of this article, but WordPress has recently been highly finicky and temperamental.  So, I just wanted to get something up, rather than what has happened previously, and I spend forever getting an entire review up, and it just turns into a three-month-long hiatus.  And nobody wants another… okay, I don’t want another one of those.  So, hopefully, the next portion of this article will be up soon, hopefully with more songs covered, too! Also, I’d like to point at that this review included the phrase “Conard’s collab concubines”.  Alliteration’s always awesome and amusing!

Also also, why is Voldemark, like, not really on this album?  At all?  Just wonderin’.  Wrock Snob out.`

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28 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Anna Semple
    May 25, 2011 @ 14:49:29

    Again, I really really loved this review 🙂
    You just have a knack of reviewing things properly and at the same time being funny about it. :’)
    Have you decided to stop posting after this? I hope you don’t, I’d miss your reviews.
    At first, I really really didn’t like House Song. It was too autotuned and samey. I felt it didn’t have much substance.
    My view has changed quite a lot since then. It always makes me smile when I hear it, and I think it’s just a bit of lighthearted fun.
    Haha, I loved that story!
    The Snape bit, I wasn’t too impressed with though… and I just felt like the whole song wasn’t really portraying Harry Potter in the right way. It seems to simplify it so much…
    And same with the autotuning drowning out all the other voices! I find it really really hard to differentiate EddPlant’s voice.
    (I’m not gonna complain about Kristina being the only girl singing… I like her voice :’) Do you know if it’s her singing on Only Power Remains? Because it doesn’t really sound like her, but it doesn’t sound a lot different so I’ve never known.)
    Maybe they will use someone else if they ever need to… but they might actually write the songs with her in mind.
    The tangents annoyed/amused me in about equal measure, to be honest.
    Re. autotuning the spoken bits, I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH. Seriously, why?!
    I can’t comment on the Hero song, as I haven’t actually listened to it yet (I should probably get on that.)

    (PS. Can't wait to hear your take on "The Ministry Has Fallen" and "Harry Potter is Dead", they were two of my favourites.)

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    • Another Review...
      May 25, 2011 @ 15:07:47

      Kristina does not sing in Only Power Remains, it’s Nina from the Moaning M.s; as for Kristina singing on everything, yeah she seems to be the only girl available all the time/still interested in doing this stuff. As for the half hearted lyrics, etc, it’s just that, people have moved on with their lives.

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      • Anon
        May 25, 2011 @ 20:13:14

        The only one interested? Hardly. I can list… oh about 20 girls who are BETTER singers than her that would of loved to have sung on the album. I don’t know why they only want her now, because I don’t think she was the right voice for any of the songs she sung on on this album. I think it’s a bit ridiculous, really. Like they’ve gotten lazy.

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  2. Crabbe and the Goyles
    May 25, 2011 @ 19:04:21

    I enjoyed your djinn story. And hate “House Song.” This was an entertaining read.

    Also props for using killsaly. Good music there.

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  3. Alyce
    May 25, 2011 @ 23:36:01

    i have to disagree with you about the confusion regarding the title of the song “the Hero Pt.2”. I actually really enjoy that song and the echoing of hero, but that’s not what i’m focusing on.
    I think it works perfectly that the sequel for the song is all about Snape. In many ways he has a lot of parallels to Harry, and thats what i think MoM is pointing out by keeping the same title. (Also i like how it comes full circle) JK Rowling refers to them and voldemort as the lost boys, because of their similarities.
    Snape is a hero, but we dont find out until the very end.
    Harry friggin names one of his kids after him and calls him the bravest man he ever knew!

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  4. Michelle
    May 26, 2011 @ 12:21:21

    You’re mention of the djinn distracted me and I can’t think of anything except Supernatural now.

    Just as well, since I’m sure this review is just more of “Magic is Might sucks” which means I don’t need to actually read it to give my heartfelt agreement.

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  5. Randi
    Jun 04, 2011 @ 09:34:25

    Please, Snob, my sides………
    I didn’t buy the album when it came out but I listened to a bunch of the songs on youtube or where ever, and none of them stuck out being particularly good, so you’re on the mark (in my opinion).

    And the djinn thing mad me extremely happy.

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  6. Voldemark
    Jun 04, 2011 @ 10:54:59

    I appreciate that you’ve gotten around to posting your review! I too am interested to see what you think of “The Ministry has Fallen”, as that was kind of my ONLY contribution the album in terms of writing. I tweeked the melody at the end a bit to give it some pizzaz. For those interested, I want to comment a bit on just how this thing came together, and try to address some of the concerns in the comments. Snobby, you asked a good question with respect to my not singing many verses. Well, in truth I sing a verse in several songs on this album (ironically, I think more than the others!), but the sense that I’m kind of a ghost in the background somewhere is what I’m thinking you’re getting at. I wrote not a single lyric (with the exception of my snape bit on house song…and yes, you can rhyme a word with itself. It’s called an “identical rhyme”. Or do you, Mr. Snobby Pants, intent to correct Emily Dickenson? She uses precisely that rhyming scheme in her poem, “Because I Could not Stop for Death”. Writes Dickenson,

    We paused before a house that seemed
    A Swelling of the Ground–
    The Roof was scarcely visible–
    The Cornice–in the Ground.

    Maybe you just mean that you don’t like that particular rhyming scheme, and that would fall in line with the emotivism that characterizes much of your reviewing style 🙂 End stupidly long parenthetical remark ) on the whole album, and as I said, I only had a bit of input on the melody at the end of “The Ministry Has Fallen”. The truth is, I work almost 80 hours a week, I’m getting married to an angel (no, not one of those weepy, killy ones from Dr. Who, A Canadian one complete with golden hair, soothing blue eyes, and a propensity for bacon), and it’s just too hard for me to do recording anymore. As one person put it, I’ve kind of moved on with life. That’s true for all of us. We wanted to put out one more record in the hopes that it would enterain. We’ve had a blast with this, and we’ve said time, and time again that this is something we do out of love for community. We love each other, and it’s always a blast to see eachother at these cons (Leaky anyone?), and we love the community, and wanted to give them something to have fun with one las time. For the most part, I think that it has done this, and that’s all the more we intended. What that writing process entailed then was Luke and Jason in L.A. coordinating with Ryan in Iowa, and then getting material to Aaron in Kansas City, and me in Buffalo. For me then, that meant taking one night with Christian in Toronto to record all of my parts. It took a lot of effort to make this happen. As such, I want to be honest and say that I really resent the “laziness” charge. We’ve gotten a few barbs tossed at us along those lines from different places on the internet. More frightening, there has emerged this kind elitist, wizard rock hipster scene that acts as if we owe them something, and wants to have, “everybody raise (their) wands, and take down the ministry”. Look, I’m sorry if you weren’t entertained. I’m sorry if we let you down. I promise you that it wasn’t out of laziness, or self-importance. I guess it just happened in some cases. Moreover, we can’t please everybody. It’s not a surprise that our biggest fan base is comprised of teenage girls who love dancy pop-music. So that’s what we made. I’d just plead with those persons so hell bent on wripping my friends and I a new one to consider carefully what this whole thing was supposed to be about. Love. The insulting things that have been said about my friends hardly qualify as such. So let’s drop the rude remarks (and Snobby, while I sometimes want to make you into a pretzel and feed you to a Basalisk, your safe because you’re just writing a review. Say what you will my friend :)) and just get together and have some fun, eh? There’s not much left of this thing. What a shame it would be if it died loveless. So come on Crabb and The Goyles. The Voldemark wants to buy you a drink 🙂

    Anywho, sorry to go off, but that’s been bothering me since December, and I thought that this was as good a place as any to say something. I’m looking forward to the rest of the review. I always enjoy reading, and will fight for your right to say what you will till the day I die. Cheers!! 🙂

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 04, 2011 @ 14:57:29

      So, firstly, let me thank you for your long, thought-out comment on the creative process of the album – I always find that stuff fascinating. As for identical rhymes, I have two contentions. Firstly, “House Song” is built entirely around couplets that rhyme, every single time, and so the one time there’s an identical rhyme, it sticks out like a sore penis. Actually, sore penises probably wouldn’t stick out very far. Anyway, it sticks out is the point. Whereas in the Dickinson poem, she plays around a lot with rhyme schemes, from regular schemes like “me” and “immortality”, to not-really-but-kinda rhymes of “away” and “civility” (epically called back in the final stanza with “day” and “eternity”), to that-will-never-ever-rhyme schemes of “ring” and “sun”. Furthermore, she plays around with subverting rhymes to put them in unexpected places – for example, ring and sun don’t rhyme, but “ring” and “setting sun” could maybe almost rhyme depending on your emphasis. But “House Song” does not show this pattern – it’s all couplets of regular rhymes, and then BAM! – Snape/Snape. Secondly, and I feel sort of bad about pulling this card, but “Because I Could Not Stop For Death” has artistic merit. “House Song”, quite frankly, does not. Not to say that it needs to – it’s a silly pop song that’s a collection of people of various level of internet celebrityhood singing songs about how awesome their fictional affiliation is – that shit does not need to be art, it just needs to be fun and silly, and it succeeds on that level. And I’m not saying you can’t have identical rhymes in a silly pop song, but you can’t throw one into a silly pop song surrounded by traditional rhyme schemes and claim artistic merit.

      Having said all that, I don’t even really mind it – the joke is funny enough to make the “rhyme” worth it, and as I said in the article, there really wasn’t another way to put Snape in the first line to set up the humorous second line and have it still rhyme and make sense without just ending it with Snape (especially since the first half of that first line had to be “I’m a Slytherin”, giving one even less room to work with) – I understand why it had to be the way it had to be, and it’s funny anyway, so it’s fine. Not even sure why we’re spending this much time talking about this, since I already said it was fine with me in the article. Ah, well.

      Also, yay, bacon! Good catch. As for the “elitist wizard rock hipster scene” that has emerged, let me just say that said scene was not around, or at least I wasn’t aware of it when MoM’s first two albums (the good/great ones, respectively) were released. Now, it’s entirely possible this is coincidence, but I’m just sayin’. Also, I haven’t seen many “elitist hipsters” talking down TRL or Whompy or HatP – at least within OUR community (outside of it? God yes) – please don’t misunderstand me saying that this proves that MoM is bad or anything, but I find it interesting, I wonder what your thoughts on that are, and I would love anyone to point me out evidence to the contrary.

      Also also, I don’t think basilisks would be fond of pretzels. Too much salt. Just sayin’.

      Lastly, I must say that I disagree with your belief that “there’s not much left of this thing” (i.e. wizard rock). Some bands, maybe, but others are continuing to tour and make new music, and I’m starting to see smaller/newer bands rise to fill the gaps. While wizard rock OF COURSE has a shelf life, and I don’t think its expiration date is 2011, or even 2012. But I would also be surprised if we’re still having national tours in 2015. But there is really no way to know what’s going to happen along those lines, I’m just slightly more optimistic in this particular arena. Thanks again for your comments – I truly appreciate them.

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  7. Voldemark
    Jun 04, 2011 @ 11:03:08

    Oops! I forget to mention the bit about Christina. Yeah, she’s on the thing a lot. The reasons are two fold: 1. She’s close to Luke and Jason, both relationally and geographically, and 2. she has a strong following. That helps the record. 1. Shouldn’t be contraversial. A friend lived close by, and it’s always a blast to have friends on the record (enter the out of control love fest that is House Song). 2. Might raise some eyebrows because (gasp!) I admitted that we’re interested in selling albums. Well, that’s how Luke and Jason live. They pay rent on that basis. They survive. They’re not driving Porsche’s for cryin’ out loud (I don’t think Jason even has a car anymore)! HaHa! 🙂 Christina is a well known personality in that realm, and at the time she was just the logical choice. At least that’s my impression from the inside. So no, it wan’t laziness. I guess I can see why you’d say that, Annon, but please (and I don’t mean this to sound as mean as it does! Honest!! :)) try not to think the worst of a situation or person before knowing the particulars. LOVE!! 🙂

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 04, 2011 @ 14:11:51

      While those are excellent points, it’s not like having some other lesser-known female voices on the album would have diluted the recognizability (yay making up words!) that Kristina brought to the album. Really, my only problem with it is that it limits the sonic variance of the album, but I completely understand the desire to make money from your art, and that Kristina is very well known. Thanks for the interesting inside look at how certain creative decisions are reached!

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  8. Voldemark
    Jun 04, 2011 @ 15:37:13

    Anytime Mr. Snobb. 🙂 I think you’re right when you note that having someone lesser known would not have hurt us, but then how would we know about them to put them on the record? Knowing Luke as well as I do (I’ve been friends with the guy for 13 years…over half of your life) if he knew somebody who wanted on the album, and if it made sense to do so, he would have done it. He’s a fairly inclusive guy. I guess I wasn’t there, so I don’t know for sure, but I think it’s likely that there just wasn’t any other accessible option. I’m also a little puzzled as to how the inclusion of Kristina, and the exclusion of some other unknown person(s) hurts sonic variance. You’re hearing at least six different voices from song to song, and the songs differ fairly dramatically in terms of key, tempo, construction, etc. Maybe I’ve lost sight of the forest through the trees there, but I don’t think so. I’m not sure that we needed to make it more variant! HaHa! 🙂 Anyway, I sincerely do appreciate your review! Thanks for the comments my friend 🙂

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 05, 2011 @ 00:15:40

      Firstly, how would you have known to put them on the record? Because YOU’VE DONE IT BEFORE. “Accio Love”, anybody? Or for a more indy example, “Catalyst For Love”. As for the sonic variance, despite your canoodling around in the stratosphere of the male range, there’s just only so much that can be done with male voices – lots of really really cool things, mind you – but again, that’s only half of the story, you know? And nothing against Kristina or her voice, but it’s just one voice, and it’s really more having just a single female voice on the album. And I probably wouldn’t have said anything if there were NO female voices, just because I wouldn’t have noticed it and thought about it, but using only Kristina made me AWARE of how much potential was being missed by not, like previous MoM albums, using many different types of female voices.

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  9. Voldemark
    Jun 04, 2011 @ 15:43:11

    PS: About House Song….how did you know? That’s EXACTLY what happened!! 😛 haha! 🙂 Yeah, it’s stupid. That’s the idea. The Dijinn wouldn’t have wanted it any other way. Entertained you didn’t it. Just sayin’ 🙂 haha! 🙂

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 05, 2011 @ 00:16:56

      Yep, stupid, but entertaining despite itself. I guess that Djinn DID know what he was doin’. Though I quite frankly would like to know where you managed to find all those great hats.

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  10. Voldemark
    Jun 04, 2011 @ 16:07:32

    OH wow! I think I must have missed your longer reply to me, but thanks for that! 🙂 About the identical rhyme: Yeah, I can see your point that it sticks out, but so what? My only reasoning for mentioning Dickenson was that she is a relevant authority on composition, and I was trying to show that such a rhyming scheme CAN happen. I wasn’t trying to say that House Song has artistic merrit, or any other such thing. Just that one can rhyme a word with itself. Period. The fact that it’s humerous, I think, makes it fit with the rest of the song.

    As far as the elitist hipster thing goes, I guess I’m not sure what your aiming at there. Do you mean to say that it’s all in our heads? I don’t think that that’s true. From my perspective, I joined as an outsider. When I started NOBODY was getting ripped apart like this. It was just about fun, love, and community. Then this sort of sub-community seemed to evolve which was marked out by a kind of all around mean spiritedness. If it’s not low-fidelity, or purely cannon, or somehow evocative of Wrocks golden age (enter HaTP, the first M.o.M. albub, etc.), then it’s just plain bad. That’s just a bit much to put up with for something that’s supposed to be at it’s root about love. Even IF we’ve gotten that terrible (and I”m not sure that that’s the case), that’s no reason to be insulting. Unless, of course, this thing has been riddled with rude, insulting people from the start, in which case it’s the paradigm case of hypocricy. My friend, I don’t think that EITHER of us think that’s true 🙂 I think there’s some genuinely good folks here, and I think that you’re one of them 🙂

    I can see your point about the end of this. Frankly, I think it’s a bit to hopeful. Don’t get me wrong man! I don’t really want it to end, but it just seems to me that it is quickly running out of steam.

    Honestly man, those last two points are just my impression. I know what i meant. I know that the attitude wrock wide has changed, and I know the pulse from the inside. Or at least I used to. Maybe I’ve been too far out of the loop! haha! 🙂
    LOVE MAN!!

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    • Crabbe and the Goyles
      Jun 04, 2011 @ 19:43:13

      I don’t think there’s anyone in the community that focus purely on mean spiritedness. Yeah, I wrote a diss track to you guys about your new album. But I’m wizard crunkcore. It’s what I do. I have a mix CD of you guys in my car at this moment. I don’t “hate” you guys or have any ill-will towards you. Frankly, I had noticed some trends in your music that people talked about and made a track about it.

      Not going to lie, I wanted a silly feud to start up off it just to spice up the community a bit. I hope you guys actually didn’t take it as pure insult. If you listen to the rest of my tracks you’ll see I’m highly sarcastic and I basically do it all just out of fun.

      Hope that clears things up because you did reference my song a couple times. I’m no elitist nor am I very much a hipster (okay, I totally am, but when it comes to wrock I’m actually pretty chill at all). CatG is a persona, just like anyone who portrays someone else in their wrock band.

      And I will totally seek you out and hold you to that offer for a drink.

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      • wrocksnob
        Jun 05, 2011 @ 00:26:19

        If this ever happens, I want one of you two to take a picture and send it to me. I could caption it – “The Wrock Snob: Helping found bromances since 2010!”

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 05, 2011 @ 00:25:00

      Maybe it’s just that I haven’t really seen this “sub-community of meanness”, or if I have, not recognized it they way you do, which of course does not mean that it doesn’t exist, it just means that I’m not aware of it, and one person is aware of something and the other is not, it can lead to… interesting times, as the Chinese would say. Also, it turns out that our community HAS been riddled with rude people the whole time, it’s just that they managed to hide it so well until now, when the apocalypse is so obviously nearing us. That’s the ONLY explanation. 😉

      As for the end of wrock, I TOTALLY get what you’re saying and where you’re coming from, but as for my hopefullness… that’s just it – I have hope. Moreover, I HOPE that it doesn’t end soon. That’s really about all it is. Maybe it’s all tantamount (that’s a really strange word when you think about it) to nothing more than wishful thinking, we’ll see. I hope you don’t take this the wrong way, and I’m pretty sure you won’t (but misconceptions seem to be a bit of a… “thing” with us 😉 ), but let me just say that I hope you’re dead wrong on this last point. And I think you do too. But I also wouldn’t really be that surprised if you were right, albeit massively disappointed. And out of a “job”.

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    • Crabbe and the Goyles
      Jun 05, 2011 @ 00:39:54

      I would like to add though, that it might be a good thing for the wrock community to not be all about love , fun, and community. Don’t get me wrong, those are solid goals to have for keeping it strong. But as a musical genre, those aren’t necessarily the best things to have in mind. With people like WrockSnob, or elitist hipsters, it could help level up peoples games so the quality of music improves. And if the quality of music improves, that could add steam to the wrock shelf life. It could attract more fans if it’s more polished than “person with guitar on youtube” / raise awareness / get more attention. Not saying there’s something wrong with youtube guitarists, but it could be detrimental to overall growth. I know with the songs I make, I want to find some way to improve what I did before or figure out different ways to attack what works and what doesn’t. You talked about honing your skills for album sales. Nothing wrong with that, necessarily. If it gets more people in, then that’s all well and good. But being lovey dovey for the sake of being lovey dovey doesn’t always encourage growth.

      That out of the way though, I hope wrock never gets as harsh in criticism or resistant to newer or more lo-fi members as other subgenres have gotten in order to deter people from being “in” or accepted (I’m looking at you nerdcore; “family…” yeah right). Use the love from the books to help the little people and offer critique / criticism in a positive manner you know?

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  11. Voldemark
    Jun 05, 2011 @ 08:27:18

    Thanks guys!! 🙂 To be honest, this kind of spirit is exactly the kind of thing I’ve been hoping for! You fellas explained yourselves kindly, and appropriately, and I can get behind that. What you need to understand is that, from my perspective, I’m working 80 hours a week, and then all of the sudden I see some tweet about, “omg, this dude just totally ripped on the ministry!” Well, I listen to the track to be fair, and all I hear are critiques of our character, our personality, our music; and then a cry to tear us down because we’re lame. How seriously would you take a, “well, it’s just all in fun” reply? Don’t get me wrong man! I’m sure it is! 🙂 It’s just that when I hear these things out of nowhere they’re a bit jarring. I’m not sure where I sit on the need for critique. I agree with you totally that that’s a good thing in and of itself, but is it appropriate for wrock? Well, I don’t know. I’m not saying that it’s not; just that I’m skeptical. At any rate, I think that if it IS going to involve critique, it should be positive. I’m with you on that too. I appreciate the clarification though! So CatG, come find me. I owe you a drink my friend 🙂

    Now Snobby, come on man! 🙂 When I asked “how would we know?” I OBVIOUSLY didn’t mean people we knew of! We KNEW Lauren. We KNEW RiddleTM. I guess I took you to be asking why we didn’t we put unknown’s on the album, and my answer was that…well…since they were unknown we didn’t know about them. I see though that you were asking instead why we didn’t put LESSERknown (i.e., known possibly to us, though not many others) female voices on the album. Frankly, my impression is that the answer to that is that there just wasn’t opportunity/convenience/time. When we were doing the thing I was just reading e-mail threads back and forth about it between my two jobs until the day I recorded. I didn’t even hear the tracks until that day, and then it was only my parts! It was a mad frenzy, and it was tough to get all of our own band members on the record; let alone anybody else! I see what you’re saying about how other female voices might have increased the sonic variance, but that in no way shows that the album lacks sonic variance in the first place. Just that it would have had more with more voices. I’m in full agreement with you on that part. And my friend, I hope I’m wrong about the end of wrock too 🙂 I didn’t take any offense to that at all! (Yay! we understood each other for once!) I can’t say I’d be out of a job (I have SEVERAL other roles I play in life, two of which pay, one of which kind of does, and two of which are ends in themselves :)), but I can say that I will miss it.

    Anyway, thanks guys! Now to wait for my Canadian angel to return home. Bacon time approaches, eh?

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 05, 2011 @ 12:33:47

      Bacon time, bacon time, hey everybody, it’s bacon time… So, this seems to be winding down, and rather civilly for all involved (yay!) but just a couple quick things: Yeah, I wasn’t honestly trying to say “OMFLOK HOW DID YOU NOT PUT THAT ONE SWEDISH GIRL FROM HMS WOLFSTAR ON THE ALBUM, OR THE GIRLS FROM THE LONG-RETIRED GINNY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS?!?!?!?!?! OMGWTFBBQ?!?!?!” It’s just that you have used many different female voices before, and it was disappointing not to hear any of them but one. As for the sonic variance (a phrase I am now getting sick of due to repetition 😉 ), I guess I’d have to agree with you – the lack of female voices didn’t necessarily hurt it, but it COULD have been greatly improved by female voices. I guess I’m just the type of person that if I’m given an absolutely delicious ice cream sundae, but without a cherry on top, and I see a bottle of maraschino cherries just out of reach, I will end up being slightly disappointed in my sundae despite its deliciousness. Merlin, I’ve been using a lot of food analogies recently, haven’t I? Also, I think a lot of it comes from the fact that what I think MoM does best (besides probably production values) is harmonies. There’s 3, no wait, 5, no wait, 6 (is it capped at 6 now? It’s so confusing 😉 ) of you, so there’s lots of really cool things you can do with all those voices, and you usually DO do cool things. However, as much as I love tons of MoM songs with just the boys, I always find particular pleasure in the ones with female voices as well, because with your collective very strong grasp on how to construct AND sing harmonies, and an extra sonic dimension brought by the guest female vocalist, it just almost always sounds really, really cool. So, yeah. Drinks all around?

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  12. Bizzilo
    Jun 05, 2011 @ 19:05:22

    I don’t want to sound like I’m hating on MoM and I realize that they try to go for the “electro-pop” genre, but it really really bugs me that the guys from MoM rely so much on auto-tune. Auto-tune can be fun, but whenever you make a “TRANCE DANCE SONG FTW!” You don’t need to coat it in auto-tune. Good example, “The Girl and the Robot” by Royksopp. One of the best dance songs in a while and not a trace of auto-tune.

    In essence, MoM, stop with the auto-tune.

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    • wrocksnob
      Jun 06, 2011 @ 08:17:05

      The thing I don’t get about the auto-tune is that it was my impression that auto-tune was generally used to make voices do things they can’t usually do, and all-around mechanically make vocals sound better than they actually are. However, MoM is FILLED with great voices, so WHY they use the vocal equivalent of crutches is beyond me.

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      • lunasceiling
        Jun 06, 2011 @ 13:18:06

        AutoTune (or Melodyne, which I personally consider much, much better) is a tool with multiple uses. It can indeed be used to make a voice do stuff it can’t (like hit notes beyond the singer’s actual range). It can be used as an effect, deliberately adding elements of intentional artificiality in much the same way a lot of Industrial bands use distortion on their vocal tracks. And it can be used in what I suspect was the inventors’ original intent: to save a great vocal take with a mistake in it from having to be re-done.

        On “Illumination” from our latest, Monika (the did the mixing/mastering) used Melodyne on my voice both as an effect AND to shift the pitch in a few places. The latter wasn’t done to fix mistakes (although I certainly make plenty!), but to match a slightly different vocal melody that leapt into her head during the mixing process. After she did the “listen to this and tell me what you think” thing, I liked that shift so much that it’s how I sing it live now. =P

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